What is the goldlist method and how can you use it to remember vocabulary? How to remember the words is a key question all language learners ask themselves in the early and intermediate stages. You can generally communicate and understand a lot without correct grammar, but if you don’t have enough words, even “Tarzan-style” speech is going to be a struggle. This article is all about how to remember vocabulary in a foreign language using the “Goldlist Method”. This is a method I first heard about a couple of years ago at the Polyglot Gathering in Berlin. It involves writing lists of words or phrases and, after an interval, “distilling” them down and then repeating the process until you remember them. I’ve been intrigued ever since. Now I’ve decided to give it a go myself.
The theory behind the Goldlist Method
Most vocabulary learning methods involve an active attempt to remember using short-term memory: repeating a word over and over; connecting vivid mental images with a word; using physical flashcards or an app for spaced repetition.
With the Goldlist Method, you use the long-term memory but – and here’s the first of several counter-intuitive aspects of the method – there’s no emphasis on consciously trying to remember at all.
Long-term memory is held not to be in the control of our consciousness but more akin to an automatic function such as breathing. The short-term memory can be a door into the long-term memory in fields where there is a “light bulb” moment when you work something out. Most language learning does not involve such dramatic moments, though. Conscious attempts to remember are thus seen as counterproductive waste of time, likely to impair the process of remembering a language into the long-term memory, because they involve the short-term memory instead.
Goldlisting does however share one thing with many other vocab memorisation methods: it makes use of spaced repetition: the idea that in order to be remembered, an item may need to be recalled several times at intervals before it lodges in long-term memory.
As I’ll explain now, the method is low-tech (which immediately endears it to me).
It’s also very portable. All you need to get going is a notebook and a writing implement.
The potential of Goldlisting is on my mind at the moment because I’ve just launched Operation Write Russian Right – an attempt to make a radical improvement in my written Russian. The start of this project has coincided with a ten-week challenge in the Goldlist Method User Group on Facebook. I don’t need more Russian vocabulary but what I do need is to get better at producing correct chunks of the written language and Goldlisting is good for this too, as we’ll see.
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The inventors
The Gold List Method is the fruit of an astonishing intellectual partnership between two very different men.
Enter “stage left” the distinguished Moscow linguist, Professor Viktor Huliganov.
Enter “stage right” (and I do mean right): Mr David J James, a Warsaw-based English accountant who, at first glance – at least to an untrained eye – does appear to bear more than a passing resemblance to the great Russian.
Some believe that the two are twins, separated at birth.
Others – much better phoneticians than I am – acknowledge that yes, “James'” English accent is superficially good, but they are not fully convinced. They claim to discern cleverly disguised Slavic undertones.
Could it be that Huliganov, tired of his celebrity following the award of his third Nobel prize for linguistics, simply invented the persona of James to enable him to escape full glare of the Moscow media circus? What could be more appealing for a world-weary intellectual superstar than to adopt a relatively obscure role, involving only occasional appearances on Polish TV to discuss (in fluent Polish) prospects for the UK economy in the wake of Brexit? 😉
But I digress. Let’s look at how the system works. After you’ve read this, you’ll find a lot more on the method straight from the horse’s mouth over at Huliganov.tv and I’ve drawn on that a lot in preparing this piece. That whole site is well worth your attention for language advice which you will find valuable whether or not you agree with all of it.
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Your gold list method notebooks
Arm yourself with a good pen or pencil and a large (A4 size) notebook. This is going to be your “bronze” book. The Gold List Method is all about getting physical, so choose a book which appeals both to your eye and your touch. It needs to be lined (and, for reasons which will soon be revealed, there must be at least thirty-four lines).
I have never understand why all the exercise books on sale in Germany or France, for example, are printed with a grid rather than lines. I don’t like the grid and these malign influences do sound like one of the strongest arguments I’ve heard so far for Brexit 😉 That said, a typical forty-line grid book does at least give you a few extra lines to play with, even if they’re quite close together (which could be challenging for scripts such as Chinese or Arabic). You can also separate your headlist and “third distillation” with a couple of spare lines (unlike in my first example notebook shot below).
The raw material for the Goldlist Method
Take a list of vocabulary you want to remember, for example the glossary at the back of your textbook. It’s good, though not essential, to include the word (or words) in a short phrase. This sort of “chunking” provide context and showing you the word in action. I’m doing chunks for advanced Russian.
It doesn’t actually have to be vocab you’re learning at all. The system works for any information that you can boil down to a line. It could be physics, history, law….
David James advocates that beginners to language learning approach the task by using a variety of materials that present the language in different ways. You can begin with courses which stress good pronunciation and basic phrases (such as Pimsleur or Michel Thomas) and then move on to a more comprehensive central course book as a “pace setter” around which you can structure your other study.
You could start Goldlisting the “pace setter” book, for example a Colloquials or a Teach Yourself textbook which has a bilingual word list of 2,000 or so of the most used words in the language. As well as Goldlisting the vocabulary, you can Goldlist illustrative patterns of usage, or concise explanations, from your language textbook, such as “days of the week are feminine except sábado and domingo” (Colloquial Portuguese) or “There are two words for you…saudara and anda which can be used interchangeably” (Teach Yourself Complete Indonesian).
A particularly good source for those wanting a systematic and comprehensive approach to language learning would be one of the Routledge Frequency Dictionaries, which arrange words according to how often they come up in a typical conversation and provide helpful illustrative chunks. What could be more ready-made for the Goldlist Method?
The key thing is that you should find the material you’re Goldlisting interesting. Know thyself! If you think you’re more likely to keep going by headlisting manga comics or the local equivalent of the Racing Post then for heaven’s sake, do that! (I’m assuming in that case you’re either learning Japanese or into the nags (Racing Post is a UK daily newspaper for racing fans)) 🙂
The items you choose will go into your Goldlist method “headlist”. Each time you will begin by tackling twenty-five items but there is no limit to the total number you could have in your headlist in the long run: 10,000 items would take you up to an advanced vocabulary in a foreign language. David James suggests you could start with 2,500 to take you through the elementary to the start of the intermediate phase in your language.
The aim is to pull out the essence of what you need to learn from your source material so that it is no longer needed.
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The first part of the gold list “headlist”
Open your book to the fist double spread.
Now write the first twenty-five words or phrases down, one below the other, on the left-hand side of the individual page. Include any integral information such as gender or plural forms of nouns or irregular aspects of a verb’s conjugation. Don’t rush the writing. Enjoy the physical process. Think about what you’re writing as you do it.
If you’re Goldlisting an alphabetical vocab list, maybe mix up the items so they’re no longer in a predictable order.
The list shouldn’t take you more than twenty minutes to do, which avoids straining your long-term/unconscious memory (David James maintains that the long-term memory tires after about 20 minutes and that you should take at least a ten minute break after each twenty minutes at all stages in the Goldisting process).
You can then write a translation on the same line (on the same page) but you may not need a translation at all if you are listing chunks which provide enough context. I am not using translations for my advanced Russian (and I’m having to prepare my raw material more labour-intensively in advance because I’m pulling words and phrases out of native-level materials I’m reading and sometimes need to check them in a dictionary).
Number each line item as you go, one to twenty-five.
When the list is ready, read through it out loud, mindfully but without straining to remember.
Now, lay down your book and put the lid back on your fountain pen with a satisfying click. Pootle off and make a cup of tea, weed the garden, go clubbing or go back to other of the myriad other activities with which you fill your adrenaline-fuelled life, be they Parkour, tiddlywinks, collecting the kids from school, shopping, sleeping or reading the top tips in the Howtogetfluent.com emails after you signed up in the box on the left (hint, hint…).
Do these other activities (or a mixture of them) non-stop for at least two weeks, punctuated only by starting a new list of twenty-five on the next double page spread whenever you feel like it (but give yourself at least that ten minute break between lists).
When you start the next piece of the headlist, number it 26-50, then 51-75 and…well, you get the idea. You are now 75 down. Only 9,925 of those 10k words to go 😉 Bungee jump, game of bowls then: the next double spread!
The first distillation in the Goldlist Method
Now the magic starts. After at least two weeks on the razzle, you lower yourself into your comfy old leather chair and pull it up to the antique desk in your study.
Sit, relax, open your notebook and cast your eye towards your first list of 1 to 25 (or, 26 to 50, or 9,975 to 10,000) depending on which double spread you’re at. The “two weeks plus” pause is important. It’s intended to allow any short-term memories of the information to fade completely so that you can be sure that things you think you’ve got into the long-term memory really are in there. Make sure, then, that you date each set of twenty-five headlist items (something I haven’t done in my illustrative photos for this article). David James says that there is no upper limit to the gap between reviews, though suggests a maximum of two months, simply to keep up momentum.
Feel the warmth of your favourite labrador at your feet. Listen to the crackle of the fire. Focus on the list and read it.
As you read be aware that you’re now going to have to discard eight items, and carry the remaining seventeen into a new list in the top right- hand corner of your double spread (i.e. the top half of the right hand page). This will be your first “distillation”.
When you’re deciding what to discard you could test yourself by covering up the translations, but David James maintains – and this is counter-intuitive – that the best approach is simply to ask yourself which of the words you think you’ve remembered best. As you read down, put a mark by the best-remembered eight.
You may find you remember more than you expected, or less. James reports that up to thirty percent of the words will typically have been retained in your long-term memory. This is not despite but because of the fact that you have made no conscious effort to remember them.
If it’s less – and this is hurting me more than it’s going to hurt you – I’m afraid you’re still going to have to discard eight.
Ok, ok, if you really can’t whittle down to sixteen, it’s not the end of the world. The number of items you reduce by is really only a general target. Don’t stress if you’re really stuck and you only reduce from twenty-five by a few.
One way to bring down the number of lines is to combine two items into one of the new lines.
When you’re merging, try to do so in a creative way to aid recall. David James likes to combine items into a title for a picture, poem, film or story. Given that you’ll sometimes want to combine lines, keep the headlist line items briefer than the phrases I’ve lifted from the Russian novel I’m reading (see picture above). I should have lifted shorter chunks to give me some space for combinations in the distillations.
To allow some space for combinations, it would be a good idea to keep each headlist line item a bit shorter than the ones I’ve used in the illustrations. If you’re including a translation, you’ll have shorter entries anyway.
Here’s another insight that David James stresses: discarding helps you remember. The grounds are that, allegedly, “for every conscious action there is a subconscious reaction”. He draws an analogy: when we specially hide something for safekeeping at home, we often forget where we put it. We rarely forget things we’ve thrown away. It’s as if the long-term memory makes more effort when it knows that something is being discarded. It really has to remember it. David James goes so far as to say that if you’re unsure whether retain/merge or discard a word when distilling, it’s better to discard it!
Again, this all really does seem counter-intuitive. I’m going to test it myself. At the very least, it does seem to make sense to me that when you next come across a discarded word in another context, you’ll at least remember that you’ve come across it before. You may have to check it, but then it may finally stick.
Next carry forward the seventeen items you’re least confident of. Renumber these one to seventeen.
You now have your first “distillation”. Read through the list mindfully, out loud and leave for at least twenty days. Don’t forget to date it (and all subsequent distillations) to make sure you don’t come back to it too soon. Now, go off and live. If languages are your life (surely not?) continue after ten minutes with the next 25 lines of the head list on a fresh double spread (numbered 26 to 50) or (if you’re later on in the process) do another distillation of another list in your book.
The second and third Goldlist Method distillations
For the second and third distillations (the third and fourth list on your double spread) you repeat the whittling down process.
For the second, go back to the a seventeen item first distillation again not earlier than two weeks since the first distillation and not later than, say, two months. Discard (or combine) 30% of your seventeen first distillation line items to leave twelve.
Copy these out in the bottom right-hand side of your spread (numbered one to twelve). Read through this second distillation.
Return to this double spread after that decent interval (at least two weeks) and repeat the process, discarding another 30% to leave nine line items. List this third distillation in the last blank space on your double page spread, under the original twenty-five line list.
You now see why you need a book with at least 34 lines (25 + 9): so that the twenty-five head list items and the nine of the third distillation will fit on one page.
The “silver” and “gold” books
For the fourth distillation, you start a new book, your “silver” book.
The new headlist of twenty-five in the top left-hand side of each double spread will be the fourth distillation.
As with the “bronze” book, you want the headlist in this book too to be in blocks of twenty-five items. This means that if you’re distilling down roughly 30 per cent, you’ll need to distil about thirty-three lines (which, reduced by 30% will give you twenty-five). You’ll need roughly the first three or four of your third distillations of about nine each (9 x 4 = 36). Remember, the numbers are a guideline only. You take more material from subsequent third distillations for the next double page spread fourth distillation of twenty-five and so on.
Date each fourth distillation and then, after at least two weeks, start distilling down from the fourth to roughly seventeen (fifth), twelve (sixth) and nine (seventh) clockwise round your double page spreads.
The “gold” notebook works the same way, the hardcore items from the “silver” notebook’s seventh distillation are carried over to the “gold” for new headlist of twenty-five lines (distillation number eight) and distillations nine (17 or so lines), ten (twelve or so) and eleven (nine or so).
It’s like panning for gold, hence the name.
You may well find yourself starting your silver book for the early double page spreads of your fist bronze notebook while you are still entering new 25-strong lists in the bronze notebook. It’s up to you whether you do the whole “headlist” before you start distillations (and it will depend in part on the size of the headlist and how much time you have available to spend on the Goldlist Method). As David James points out, for “fluency” (10,000 words), you’d need three or four bronze books per language and only one silver notebook (and you could use the same “gold” book for several languages).
The Goldlist method is resolutely low tech
The physicality of the process is central and David James advises against trying to Goldlist on your computer or phone. It’s not only about the solid notebook you can be proud of but also about the process of giving your best handwriting a workout (without getting stressed about it).
The idea is to help relax you and also that there is an element of “muscle memory” in the act of writing out the words. I’m a great fan of writing by hand but I’m a bit sceptical about how much this aids memory, not least because I still find English spelling difficult, despite having written huge amounts of English by hand over the all too many decades of my life.
When trying out the method with my Russian I have found myself muttering the words to myself as I write them. Maybe that helps.
Will the Goldlist method develop active as well as passive language skills?
You may be thinking “so far so good for remembering but even if the Gold List method helps my passive recognition of words when reading, what about my listening comprehension and what about my speaking?”
Remember: Goldlisting is only intended as one of a number of tools in your kit.
David James recommends listening a lot in the early stages and calls this “front-loading the audio” to develop an “inner voice” for the language to reduce the risk of learning the pronunciation wrong.
For good audio exposure you can use predominantly audio courses like Pimsleur or Michel Thomas or any suitable beginner’s audio available for your language. These aren’t suitable for use with the Goldlist Method themselves, but, if you’re starting a language from scratch and have no feel for the sound, a couple of months spent on such courses will be a very good long-term investment before you start with the Gold List method.
When you then move on to a more comprehensive textbook such as Teach Yourself, Colloquial or Assimil (all of which do lend themselves very well to the Gold List method), you’d also be doing the exercises there and using the audio extensively.
Whether or not you give the Goldlist method a go, don’t succumb to the temptation to neglect the sections on pronunciation at the front of the book. Keep coming back to it through the course and don’t trust your own ear.
I’m currently taking my first steps in Icelandic and I’m using an italki teacher almost exclusively to help me get the sounds right. I remember when I started learning Welsh in pre-internet days and with no cassette tapes (google ’em, millennials!). It was quite confusing when I finally got to Wales and it turned out that “eisiau” (to want) is pronounced more or less like “ih-sha” and not “eye-she-eye” as I had imagined it) 🙁
By combining working with textbooks and Goldlisting a large vocabulary (and, optionally, the explanations in your course book), the system is supposed to enable learners to develop a good reading knowledge in the language.
Then – and here comes another remarkable claim for the Gold List method – learners should only need three days or so immersion “in the field” to start speaking the language. Is it like starting up the engine of a vintage car. It may strain and splutter a first, but it’ll soon be powering ahead with a deep, satisfying purr. Or is it carefully tended seeds, sprouting into a flower when the first rains arrive?
I won’t be able to test this aspect this time, given that my Russian listening comprehension and speaking are already advanced. It seems to me that this could work for speaking but listening comprehension must always require a long period of exposure and practice. If you’re using the Goldlist Method at a beginner’s level, I’d suggest listening to as much audio as you can as part of your regular, long-term language learning habit.
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Doesn’t the Goldlist Method sound like quite a lot of work?
Applying the Goldlist method does take time and requires focus but, then, so does rote learning or using spaced repetition apps. The claim is simply that Goldisting is a more effective way of using some of that substantial amount of time that you’re going to have to put in to learning your language in any case. David James stresses the long-term efficiency of working this way. One you’ve Goldlisted content into your long-term memory, it stays there, unlike with short-term cramming, where you think you’ve remembered a lot, only to forget it. Or, as he puts it, if you’re remembering with the long-term memory “you’re only ever going forwards”.
You do really need to look after yourself too, as you need to if you want to be at the top of your game in any endeavour. Get enough sleep, make sure you’re eating a healthy diet and exercising. Don’t impair your performance with drink or other substances and when you’re at the notebooks don’t distract yourself with background music or anything else.
It’s a method that’s potentially quite disruptive to language education, especially to classroom teaching. Yet the best teachers are open to ideas that may offer something new and valuable. There will always be more than enough to keep skilled pedagogues, trainers and mentors busy.
David James has put something out there for free that – if it works as claimed – could really empower us as language learners. If, that is, we can rediscover the pleasures of playing a long game, lay off the electronics a while and pick up a pen.
Gold List method aficionados find it more enjoyable that rote learning and less faff than apps. Even physical flashcards – traditionally one of my mainstays in the elementary and intermediate stages of a language – can be fiddly, take ages to make, can blow away in the wind or end up dropped around your feet like so much confetti.
Without the emphasis on straining to remember, the Gold List method it has relaxing, almost meditative qualities. Writing by hand is part of the rhythm here too.
Your notebook doesn’t need wifi and its battery won’t go flat, so it really is portable. You’ll need your source material with you when doing the headlist, so the method is at its most portable in the distillation stages. You can whip out your notebook on the train, in your favourite café or outside in summer when screens can be washed out by the sun.
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So, I’m starting my ten weeks trail of the Gold List method; my attempt to clamber into the Goldlist glitterati. I’ve come across quite a few language learners who have tried the method out and now swear by it. If you’ve tried Goldlisting or have thoughts on this approach – or other ideas about the best way to enrich your word power – let me know in the comments section below.
In ten weeks time, I’ll know myself whether I’m left with pile of Fool’s Gold or crock of the gleaming 22 carat stuff. Watch this space.
[UPDATE: I did not continue to trial the method for advanced Russian. It was taking me well over an hour to extract enough words for a head list from the novel I was reading. I decided this was not an optimal use of time in the context of my Russian writing exam, given that my problem is not vocab but accuracy in spelling and grammar and answering the questions within the time and word limit. So I have been practising those skills instead (report: here). I intend to trial the Goldlist method for one of my beginner or intermediate level languages and work with materials which are better suited to creating the head lists (for example chunks of speech from a textbook or frequency dictionary).]
(Many thanks to David James for his kind comments and corrections on this article shortly after it was first published which enabled me to make many improvements later on publication day. Any faults remain my very own)
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Karen Rutland says
Hi Gareth,
thanks for another comprehensive post! I’m hoping to take the Uwch exam this summer (my tutor has been nagging me for at least a year, The Russian has therefore been relegated to the back-burner because it still seems like too much of an unachievable task at the moment).
I do a lot of reading so I tend to pick up a random collection of words quite passively, but I’ve not managed to be systematic about vocab learning since having left formal studies.
Last year I started using Anki to record all the vocab and useful phrases I’ve collected during my lessons and homework. I’m not really a gadget person, so this did give myself and several language-learngin friends a major shock. While I’ve still not been reviewing the cards on a regular basis, the major advantage I find is that I can have a quick look while I’m stuck waiting somewhere with nothing better to do. And making the cards to start with is a form of review in itself.
However, I’ve just started Gold-Listing the vocab from “”Six Thousand Welsh Words” in order to have a more structured approach. My problem is finding time to go back and review the lists. A bit like with other NY resolutions, I’m good at starting, but it soon falls by the wayside.
Karen
Gareth says
Thanks for the comment, Karen. Glad you found the post useful. Time is always a challenge, of course, hence the need for the most effective methods. You need twenty minutes max per session (less for the latter distillations in the bronze book (you start with 25 items again at the beginning of the silver book)). I’m going to try to build the twenty mins into my morning routine. A slot for a regular Goldlisting habit seems the best way forward for me. It does mean that the time won’t be available for other things (including other aspects of my Russian), so it’s a matter of priorities. For me the current priority is clear: writing better Russian.
Sarah says
I love the idea of this, though the actual practice seems complicated – it’s possible that’s just me! Maybe if I find myself a suitable notebook (which shouldn’t be hard, as I have a tendency to collect notebooks like a magpie collects shiny things) and do it, it’ll start to become clearer.
I definitely like the idea of aiming to shunt vocabulary and sentence structure straight into my long term memory – my memory for vocab is decidedly scattershot. I also love the idea of handwriting the vocabulary. I’ve long since maintained that the visceral nature of writing by hand is more beneficial to memory than typing, and that goes double for languages with a different alphabet like Russian or Hebrew. The way technology has developed learning methods and tools is fantastic, but I do think it’s a shame how many people don’t handwrite, and I honestly think it’s a bad idea not to write by hand as well as learning to type.
I guess my next trick is to dig out a few suitable notebooks and see if I can learn by doing (as opposed to attempting to understand the written instructions ).
Gareth says
Thanks for the comment, Sarah. Sounds like we’ll both be trying the Gold List Method out at the same time, then. Have a look in the GLM Facebook Group for other users. I don’t think it’s complicated once you get the hang of it. Maybe it’s just my attempt to describe it that’s complicating matters!
Brandon says
Great read!
You really explained the method quite well. I started using it for Mandarin about the beginning of February, after having studied the language for two and a half years at university in the States, and now am subsequently taking intensive Mandarin here in China for 3 hours a day. Im using the first 2500 words of the HSK test list. While I was a bit skeptical at first, and honestly still kind of am, I find I am still learning the words. Not always the way it was claimed to work, with 30 percent memorized every time, but generally just by throwing the words away I can come back and at the very least recognize and know how to pronounce them, then I see the translation and realize I did know it. Started my silver book last week and am excited to see how well it works through the gold phase.
Gareth says
Glad you hear you’re finding the method useful, Brandon. Good luck with your further Mandarin studies!
Lucy says
Hi Gareth,
How did the Goldlist method work for you in your 10 week trial? Did you decide to keep using it?
Thanks for letting us know!
Gareth says
Hi Lucy, thanks for asking. I have added an update to the article. In short: I’ll back to the Gold List Method in a different context. What about you?
Lucy says
Hi Gareth,
Thanks for the update. I’m curious how the Goldlist method works for you with one of your beginner or intermediate languages. Please keep us posted!
I’ve found the method very helpful, but I’ve just begun the distillation stages so can’t comment on whether the passive longterm memory learning of 30% does work for me.
Regardless, I love David James’s approach to ENJOY the process, limit study sessions to 20 minutes, and simply have one place to organize new vocab. It’s also great to have an easy review system set up. I do love using paper and not a computer. The downsides for me are that it takes me about 3 sessions (over an hour, if you include breaks) to make a new headlist. That’s likely due to the fact I’m learning Hebrew, which requires me to look up the pronunciation for each form of the word (since Hebrew does not usually indicate vowels). Reviews are taking just one session, though, so that is good.
There is a helpful Goldlist Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/goldlistusers/ — Hope that helps anyone who wants to learn more!
Gareth says
Thanks. Will keep you posted, Lucy. I also find making the headlist takes a lot of time. Guess it also partly boils down to the material one is using (i.e. is it a user-friendly list of words or phrases with translations or not). My miskake was to try and process my own extracts from a novel, which just took took long given my goals.
Kevin DeLaune says
Thank you for the post Gareth! Lucy, I’m interested to hear if you have continued using the GLM for Hebrew? I’m starting my list for Hebrew tomorrow, and hoping it will work for me. I’m new to language learning, and have yet to hear anyone claim “fluency” from using ANY system. Even when I read of people speaking about using Anki, they never mention whether or not they atttained fluency from using such a system. Maybe I’m missing those posts?
Gareth, have you ever heard of anyone actually reaching fluency using systems such as Anki, Gold List Method, Iversen Method, Duo Lingo, etc?
What I have always wanted to know, is how does using a vocabulary building system help you learn sentence structure? Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
Kevin
Gareth says
Thanks for the comment, Kevin. In my view, none of these systems on their own will get you fluent. You have to use a combination of tactics. I like to start with a focus on pronunciation and getting used to the sounds. As for sentence structure, you could Gold List chunks of language. Get a lot of audio and reading imput, too. I’ve just done videos on both of these over on the Howtgetfluent YouTube channel. Good luck with the Hebrew! Let me know how it goes 🙂
Lucy says
Hi Kevin,
To answer your question, I have not continued using the GLM for Hebrew. Its downfall was I found it boring after a while. However, it was quite helpful for a month or so. The helpful elements for me were the straightforward approach — it was nice knowing exactly what I was going to do when I studied. Instead of having to figure out how to jam info into my brain in the most efficient way possible each time I sat down to study, the GLM provided me with a low-pressure attitude and it was pretty effective. So, a good return on time without much stress. The concept of 20-min chunks of focused studying time is transferable to other learning approaches. Now I’m finding that having daily conversations on Skype with a teacher is the most effective approach for me. I have a *fantastic* teacher, let me know if you want her info. As a visual person, I also find that drawing pictures on paper as I go through Anki cards works really well. But I think if you try GLM it’s likely you’ll gain some useful tools you can take with you when you reach diminishing returns. Good luck!
PS — Because I struggle enough with Hebrew, I took the pressure off myself to write my GL’s in Hebrew. Once I began simply transliterating the Hebrew with accent marks to show pronunciation, my learning took off. So for example, my #45. word might say “dog” on one side and “KElev” on the other. No Hebrew script necessary. (I can read Hebrew script but it didn’t make sense to slow my GL’s down with it. But others find transliterations more difficult to understand than the Hebrew alphabet. To each unique brain their own system!)
Kevin DeLaune says
Thank you, Gareth. I will go check those videos out on your YouTube Channel for sure.
Thank you for the information, Lucy. My research shows that people are finding the GLM to work beautifully when combining the lists with articles and stories that have audio on LingQ, due to learning the vocabulary in the context of sentences. They move forward quickly by listening to the audio once learning the vocab. Makes perfect sense to me. From what I understand, much more effective than using frequency word lists or dictionaries for vocabulary. Makes perfect sense. I will do the same and will report back here on my progress.
I was going to go the route of writing and learning pronunciation / transliteration, but I believe this hinders my ability to “read” the original Hebrew text, and I believe reading and listening to be key in making the language stick and helping me to fully understand patterns and sentence structure.
To each his own though. Whatever works!
Stanislav says
Hi everybody!
Good post, Gareth. How’s it going with GLM? Do you still use it?
I used the GLM quite a lot back in 2012 when I was learning Spanish. And it worked really well for me. It took me 4 (or 5) big notebooks to get to the point I could read Spanish novels with reasonable confidence. Although I used the method a little bit differently than prescribed it still worked fine.
Gareth says
Good to heaer from a GLM user, Stanislav. I am not using GLM at the moment, because I’m not focussed on vocab expansion in any of my languages, but I’ll be going back to it in future, that’s for sure.
John Swain says
I have conscientiously tried the Goldlist method for some time. My ultimately conclusion is that it is enjoyable and stress-free, but not entirely effective. I am skeptical that the words I discard are all acquired, but the same is true for flashcard learning. Also, after you get up to 600 or so words, the time required to keep pushing along the cumulative distillations become prohibitive, at least if you only have an hour or so a day to devote to language learning. Goldlisting starts absorbing most of my language learning time, and I neglect reading and listening and speaking, which are of course very important.
Moreover, I think this unconscious process of acquiring vocabulary occurs simply by reading and listening even if you don’t use flashcards (which I don’t) or the Goldlist method, Important words recur and end up being memorized.
Still, I like the Goldlist method because it is not stressful and it gives me a concrete feeling of accomplishment. It is a pain free alternative to flashcard-like methods. However, don’t neglect your other language learning activities.
Gareth says
A helpful, balanced view. Thanks for sharing your experience, John!
Irina Pravet says
Hi Gareth,
thanks for the thorough investigation and detailed instructions on the Goldlist method! I’ve been looking for a way to broaden my Finnish grammar and – one day – read my first novel! I happen to be an obsessive notebook purchaser so I can start there. I just counted the standard Canadian notebook lines I use and they only have 32 lines. I’ll keep my eyes peeled for a 34-er.
Gareth says
Good luck, Irina (pity you haven’t been to the Gathering for a while!). G 🙂
Asif Khan says
Hi, thanks very much for this entertaining article and for letting me know there is such a thing as a frequency dictionary! I’ve just ordered one and am starting goldlisting today.
Zeenat says
Hi Gareth
Thank you for this detailed explanation of the goldlist method.
I’m using it for classical Arabic. I’m a beginner & didn’t know where & how to start with learning the vocabulary.
I heard about the gold list method in a lecture & I’m excited to give it a go. I’m really hoping I can be disciplined to keep up with the distillation process.
I have 2 questions:
1. When do I stop with the silver book. If I have 1000 words to start off with, can I stop at let’s say 100 & start distilling & once I get to the gold book with this set of words then move on to the next set of 100 words & so on? Or is it is better to just keep going until I’ve exhausted my initial list of 1000 words then start distilling?
2. I’ve been trying to do the new set of words every day but is there a rule as how much gap is recommended between each new set of 25 words? Is there an optimal pattern?
Thanks
Dr Popkins says
Hi Zeenat, thanks for reading and glad you found the post useful. With the GLM you should always think in terms of each individual head list (of 25 words). You distil four times and them move on to the silver books with the remaining words. Distil another four times there and then to the gold book. So, it could easily happen that you are already on the silver book with the lists you started earlier and still on bronze with later head lists of 25. The “gap” is between distillations. There’s nothing to stop you starting more than one list of 25 in one day, one new list a day, one every two days, one a week or whatever. If you start, with, say, three lists of 25 on one day, you don’t have to distil them all on the same day next time. Just make sure you don’t distil any of them earlier than twenty days later.
Sarah says
Thanks for the detailed information. I have a couple of questions. Are the discarded words or phrases sincerely discarded, and never used again, or are they added to later lists of 25? And does anyone know if this method works well for children learning a new language for the first time, or is it better suited to adults? It would not be the only method I use with children, they will do lots of listening and exercises visually connecting the vocabulary to everyday things they already know, but I’m wondering if gold listing will be a good source to quickly build in some basic vocabulary. Thanks.
Dr Popkins says
Hi Sarah, sorry for the delay in responding, I somehow missed this. Yes, the discarded words are simply discarded (but I think one would assume an ongoing wider interaction with the language). I don’t have any info on the Gold List method and children. Everything I’ve read and heard about it has been focussed on adults. Worth testing out and seeing whether they enjoy it (keeping them motivated and engaged is, I guess, half the battle). Gareth